Monday, May 09, 2022



RELATIVITY AND THE QUANTUM ERASER


 Here I want to discuss the quantum eraser experiment as it relates to the speed of light..


  Einstein was much concerned about the speed of the collapse of the wave function and other so called superluminal effects in quantum mechanics.


 Wheeler had proposed the quantum eraser experiment and it was performed in 1999 to investigate the claims made by Bell that with the double slit experiment if the wave or particle goes through the slit as a particle and is measured as a particle or a wave on the other side the two waves going through the slit can be changed to particles instantaneously by measuring what would have been the waves as particles on the other side. What Bell might have presumed was by way of  superluminal influence, like a wave between the area where the measurement is made and the dividing area.


 The experiment seems to show by some interpretations that the superluminal influence exists.


 The standard interpretation of the experiment now is that between the point where the wave goes through the slit and the actual measurement, the events connecting them is potentially either a wave or particle and is essentially not one or the other until it's measured.


 I have held that these superluminal wave events are real like Bell might have, one objection to this as Einstein also might have said is that you can have a wave and a particle but you can't have both of the same time.





  The idea of it being both a wave and a particle at the same time in order to get around the evidence that there might be a connection seems to me like a cheaper version of the same superluminal event.


 By being both a wave and a particle at the same time I tend to hold that they are connected over the distance between the observation of the sensor and the changing area of the machine with both slits. And the connection is still faster than light.


Indeed if both a wave and particle at the same time, this might be explained by a superluminal field inside the quanta so that it seems like there is no causality there and this itself could be explained not with the lack of causality, but rather the superluminal field that makes it look so blurred as if it were both a wave and particle at the same time as measured by the much slower and more sluggish heavy quanta that relativity would involve, while at smaller radii and superluminal speed causality would be restored because the waves and particles of the subatomic subatomic realm would themselves be with more definite on or off events. At any given point the wave for high speed would have a certain definite even if small amount of cohesive force. As I say elsewhere I think it may have a lot of the waves at super high speed even if at low energy, and the high speed overpowers the low energy so the result is something like the large snapback for light that Maxwell imagined based on the resilience to the medium. And yet the medium is not super dense because the waves are low energy and the waves connecting between the electron and the positron and the light are also entangled only between those quanta and so the high density of the medium is not common even with the large snapback of the light and the resilience of the medium.


 Some have noted that if the quantum eraser experiment  was done on interstellar scale, the wave when measured could change an event at a slit that was billions of years away in the past with a giant version of this experiment.


 Einstein never defined information or a signal well but here I attempt to define it by saying that information in its most basic sense is a connection of a signal as in the connecting boson between fermions in fundamental physics.


So that energy be conserved all interactions known have a change in one place connected by exchange of energy to another place with the change in other event.


 This, my definition of information seems to be a fundamental method because it's based profoundly on energy conservation which is "even more well-proven than relativity somewhat"!


 So much of special relativity as in "all" was about the fundamental observation that the speed of light is constant and the rest fits this experiment.


 If there were any other way for the signal to go from distant sources and observers the speed of light would not be so fundamental.


 I believe a simple phase change of superluminal fields of dark matter and energy may allow another degree of freedom and this for example is about the extra tensor of general relativity for gravity that relativity doesn't explain.


When we use this  simple change, Bell's idea is easy to explain.


One problem the physicists are concerned about here is how if we allow there to be information between the measured wave and the source it seems to have the problem about the present influencing the past.


 If you have a boat in the ocean and the. waves have a certain speed we might imagine sending a message through those waves and we say that there is a moment in the present when the wave is emitted and then a moment later when the wave reaches the ship.


 Here there's a definite present past and future.


If we assume the waves of the ocean are the highest speed that we can go then if we had light that we could send to the ship by saving MCI most! and hope to make some kind of change based on the information it sends like controlling where the ship goes by influencing the event on the ship at the speed of light or another high speed, then we can't say as readily that the source of the wave onshore is definitely in the past once the wave reaches the ship.


 By how the light influences the events on the ship we can say that it's more definitely in a common present time both of the shore and the ship.


 This could be much like information sent at the speed of light around the world.


By a much higher speed of the communication of the information, what would have been the present and the past become more unified in a real event.


If you remember the history of time zones originally all the train towns had their own time. When the trains unified communications all the times of the railroads in a real sense were more unified.


 In truth an influential part of the past and future of time is just the speed of communications between points in space. If the speed is much faster, the past and future essentially become more unified with the present.


 The whole idea that we're looking into the past when we see light from stars light years away is fundamentally based on relativity.


 I believe there's no reason to assume this is fundamental just as the waves of the sea don't prove that there was never any evidence that light was much faster. Just to say because physics hasn't reached another level doesn't mean it never will.


 The quantum eraser would seem to not be so paradoxical if we say not that the wave can be both a wave and a particle the same time or that "there ain't no future in the past"!


 The light that reaches the ship from the shore itself has a definite past present and future.


Even so the light has an extra degree of freedom the waves of the sea don't have.


 By this interpretation the atoms around us that can only move up to the speed of light because they are quanta like the slow ocean waves while the wave Bell imagined is like the light but much faster.


 So what would have been the present past and future for the ocean waves is not defining the future and the past of the lightwaves.


 We can imagine observing the ocean wave where it starts on its way to the ship and then sending out the lightwave to the ship with instructions for the ship to change direction before the wave of the ocean reaches it.


Or we could imagine once the pilot on the ship sees the wave being sent in the water, he sends out a signal to the wave machine on the shore and tells it to change its signal.


This could be done almost in real time compared to the wave of the sea. Neither the light wave nor the ocean wave signal are moving backward in time.




 The information in the light isn't influencing the ocean wave in the past, they're both unified in a common event instead.


 A definite past present and future is something that I believe relativity lacks a lot. Because if the slow speed of light is all that connects things up there's no way to tell what's before or after here compared to Alpha Centauri the nearest star.


 If all around us there is the measure of a definite past present and future of room temperature and room size physics  it would seem the cosmos would be able to make use of our advantage also!


 Relativity has it where space and time are supposedly unified. Yet by the slow speed of light we can't know what's before or after at Alpha Centauri, and for this measure space is also separated because if the events are separate in time they're also like particles of a gas and not connected so the space and the mass energy aren't connected either and there are no forces of attraction..


 Thus in a real sense space and time aren't so connected by relativity. And special relativity to the degree that it holds only controls the speed of the playback of the distant movie seen by the observer of the starship at a distance like a movie speed changed but it doesn't control the events themselves.


And if space and time were completely unified we would expect if you move backwards in space you would move backwards in time.


But if we use the extra degree of freedom of dark matter and dark energy this solves the problem because all the universe would exist much more as it is "now" even though each observer at still separate points in space is also moving through time more in parallel with a definite past present and future for the entire cosmos.


 If mass and energy are about information as many have held, it seems improbable it can only compute where we are and for the rest of the cosmos no such fortune.


In essence this my idea would seem to be an attempt to add more to physics where obviously otherwise we have no claim for why time is here where we are but it's so much changed for the rest of the cosmos.



All that's needed here is a faster connection than "the wave of the sea". The change in the the ship of the change in the information from the wave of light isn't changing the wave of the ocean moving towards the ship backwards in time. Both the wave and the light information are moving forward in time.


While fast signals like  for global communication essentially make a lot of the things that go on in one more common present the present itself is only moving from the past to the future, and it doesn't itself either make slower waves have influence in the past. So to me this objection to Bell's idea isn't a fundamental disproof of the quantum eraser.


 Indeed by using a cheap explanation as rich as it would be seems to say why the experiment seems to show superluminal events are real because assuming waves and particles to exist at the same place and time, is also superluminal.


 For example, not only the speed of the collapse of the wave function but also events like the spins of an electron being at once more than unified would seem not to fit well with the speed of light because we have the waves at different phases that are much smaller and faster and this is easier to explain with higher speed low energy waves, the matter waves of QED.


 The electron spin is already used up on electromagnetism, if it's the speed of light it can't change much.


  But lower energy waves that can move much faster and with higher speed adaptations might do many more things, like perhaps communications and computer science.


Imagine doing the giant experiment of the type above.


Here instead of the super slow connection of the light, we have a superluminal connection between the measuring machine and the source of the light wave on the outside of tbe quanta like the light wave with the ship moving through the air.


 Essentially both are now in the "present"; because you don't need the super slow connection of light (compared to this super luminal event) and the cosmos is more unified as by gravity.


 Einstein tells us that light is a particle uninfluenced from emission to absorption and so the speed of light as constant, yet in every other word he speaks of the doppler shift in Special Relativity which is a wave event. And Einstein also discovered the wave particle duality so shame on him disproving himself..


 I say it's either the wave particle duality with waves predominant, or SR (without waves) and since waves are more fundamental since as Einstein said it's impossible to measure a fundamental particle which can both emit and absorb a wave, I hold that waves are fundamental to gravity because it's an inward radiance and particles have sides and would radiate out like a gas.


Entropy would be about the failure of special relativity, and so essentially by unifying all the fields more by attraction like this by something like superluminal events, this would once more restore energy conservation so the universe isn't radiating out energy that's removing from the universe and so energy or mass is otherwise being destroyed.


 Special Relavivity seems to fit energy conservation at short range yet it fails at greater distance for energy conservation and so it contradicts itself also about the problem of space time unification here with the "slow" speed of light.


 If we plot the timeline vertically between the ship with the ocean waves and the light waves of the telephone call light conversation, with space the x-axis

the wave moving at slow speed will move more diagonal like the water waves while the information in the light waves will make the angle much more horizontal on the graph.


 So while we can't influence the events in the past like in the quantum eraser billion years of years ago we can actually change them more where they are now and what is called by relativity a billion light years ago.


So I would hold what's being changed by the quantum eraser experiment is actually the more direct union of the two points being measured between the sensor and the slits of the experiment.


It's not yet known how far the quantum eraser experiment might reach.


 I would hold that it would never reach billions of years into the past while even so assuming just as Einstein was as the speed of light is the top speed we could also assume by another phase change and Maxwell's method which might be more general that we have another speed for the matter waves of QED.


 At any rate the idea that we could influence events in the past or the distant past I don't hold to be true and neither would this be evidence for the locality of the quantum eraser experiment because we can still assume that we can influence both events in the present at more distance in the cosmos   just as we can influence events on the boat at the faster than the speed of waves of the sea.


 I would hold that this is not just an addition to special relativity but it's fundamental to the connection of gravity and other forces by  energy conservation.


 The quantum eraser experiment isn't influencing events in the past just in a more unified present and this can be easily proven by simply making a change in one place by way of entanglement and see if it correlates with the other change we can measure.


 By Maxwell's method and my hopeful adaptation of it which I call GWD general wave Dynamics this is easy to explain by the resilience of the field which gives you your speed of the connection and by Einstein's method there is no explanation.


I can see why Einstein was concerned about the speed of the collapse of the wave function and I believe as I say that speed of the folding of proteins is evidence that evolution would want to make good use of Einstein's concern! The life that uses superluminal collapse of the proteins can compute faster than other life and it survives more often..


 My idea is to add the present to our physics.


With the connection between Los Angeles and Tokyo by way of the light certainly you can't take an ocean wave departing from Tokyo and wait till it reaches Los Angeles then try to influence it back in the Old Country. But if we imagine that wave departing from Japan and someone in LA calls up to the people in Japan and says "hey change that wave!" and sure enough in science they do! Because of the more definite present by the much faster speed of the light conversation connection a more universal present is added.

What you can't do is go back to the wave as it reaches LA and influence it in its past. In a way you can influence its past because if you called as the wave was leaving the harbor at much higher speed you're influencing how the wave somewhere in its past will change in the future.



 What this means for the interference experiment is that if you have someone there where the interference is being created and they have a way to send a faster than light signal back to the source where the light is going through the two gaps at the time when it leaves the two channels and this changes the light, then in this sense, at faster than light the wave is being influenced in its past, or it will be when its future is realized at the interference zone.

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 What can't be achieved here is to go with the light inside of an ocean wave or quanta and influence the light in the past at just the speed of light at the source of the experiment from the area of the interference pattern.


 The ocean wave can't influence the wave back in Tokyo from LA this is not probable. But if we have a wave outside or inside the quantum as in the interference experiment if it's on the outside of the quanta like the light where you call from LA to Japan for some "light conversation" if there's an extra degree of freedom the call can influence the wave before it reaches the other side.


  A simple phase change may be all we need for a signal like this because above all else in relativity the foundation of all of it's based on the idea there's no other way for the signal to reach and influence a distant event than by way of the light. The matter waves are on the outside and inside of the quanta of the light waves and may not interact with the light much because of what I call line removal, where gravity or the matter wave of the experiment acts like paramagnetism and just wraps around the outside of the heavy quanta even while they are always a source of gravity. This is why gravity and centrifugal force don't shield metal plates and also why dark matter and dark energy have been so difficult to find even while when you jog around the room and change directions it's easy to see by how you feel!


  As a say on my page about physics generally the waves of the low energy field may be between the lines of the classical electromagnetic field lines. This will keep the lines from bunching up or kinking while at the same time keeping them flowing to reduce their interaction with the heavy quanta or the field lines.


 And this would also explain centrifugal and centrifugal force as well as keeping the waves between the lines from being quantised. Einstein thought light was in special relativity only  having sides, uninfluenced from the emission to the sensor but the light would radiate out and lose energy and nothing could connect up like gravity with more distance and this would disprove energy conservation. So gravity and the matter waves of QED I believe may be faster than light because they're lighter than light and so move faster as by Maxwell's method of calculation of the exact speed of light exactly based on the resilience of the medium (which may be dark matter and dark energy) and not interacting much really with the heavy quanta so we don't get large relativistic effects even though the field is faster than light. So as with the quantum computer there is some interaction between the quantum well and these faster than light waves with the collapse of the wave function.


  Einstein didn't believe faster than light motion was impossible, he believed it was possible as long as whatever it was moving faster than light always was.


So in this idea the speed of light is more like a curtain than a barrier.


This is how I think the collapse of the wave function works.


The wave function is ready to collapse, and they send in the microwaves and they interact with the outside of the heavy quanta causing the collapse of the wave function at faster than light.


Note here that because the speed of light barrier is like a sheet the collapsing waves can bump on one side and really influence what's on the other side even though both are not interacting as much as quanta. If there was no interaction the collapse couldn't be programmed and quantum computers couldn't work.


As I say I believe that the waves between the electromagnetic field lines for centrifugal force and gravity are also outside or inside the area of the wave function of quanta essentially. And this is what I was hinting at about the idea of the quantum eraser.

  

.If these waves made of dark matter and dark energy are indeed external to the quanta and faster than light this could connect up the cosmos in a more universal present and so while we can't influence the past of the wave like the ocean wave of the two photon wave experiment, we might have the value of influence at the start of the wave from the harbor.


 One problem about dark energy is calculations have been done based on quantum mechanics and while cosmologists say the dark energy only needs to be like 2/3 more to explain the accelerated expansion of the universe the predicted value based on quantum mechanics is 10 to the 120th. The huge change of value could be explained by the phase change of the dark matter in energy between the  electromagnetic field lines. 


 By Maxwell's method the resilience of the medium determines the speed of the waves light for light which predicts it exactly. But if there is the phase change in the areas between the electromagnetic field lines and there it becomes super fluid suddenly in this scenario the resistance goes way down as the speed goes way up.


 As the resistance goes down the force also gets much much less strong. So the quantum mechanical electromagnetic field lines could be flexing the dark energy and dark matter waves between them and interacting with them also and we could say they've lost a lot of grip of the quanta. The quanta might grab on and squeeze the field like Maxwell thought about electric charges to cause the speed of light. Even so as I say as with the collapse of the wave function the heavy quanta are indeed interacting a bit with the dark matter and dark energy waves as they may need, to cause centrifugal and gravitational force.


This idea that the waves are low energy but much higher speed to give the equivalent of the particles may explain about Einstein's objections Schrodinger's cat. How can the field or a quanta field both be a wave and particle at the same time? How real are the low energy particles of the Feynman diagrams? The assumption that they aren't there at all I think is viable if we instead assume that there is the equivalent wave value of these particles. The waves are much much faster than light and so any possible configuration these waves would imply is more possible. This is why the Feynman diagrams are only weighted values.

They seem to be both a wave and a particle at the same time as by quantum mechanics but only when we measure the quanta with the wave function collapse do they become more definite. Thus the electron and positive charge are connected to the light by the lower energy but much higher speed waves, and as with the Feynman diagrams we can assume only in a potential way the events are there or that Schrodinger's cat is both dead and alive.  The light has the huge snapback of the waves to give it it's speed but only when the waves reach the light does the collapse of the wave function propelling the light take place. The problem of whether it's a wave or particle would be solved by simply assuming that it's a wave with the phase changed to give it the general quanta equivalence but only if we assume the wave is faster than light. 


WHY IS THE EPR CONSTANT WITH DISTANCE?


As I say I think of the waves as going between the classical electromagnetic field lines. The field lines as with LIGO are themselves quantum and so move at the speed of light but the waves between them aren't. 

 

 But if the waves speed up or slow down with radiation out from the electron and then into the light and the waves are indeed not radiating out like quanta as with usual radiant energy then the force of the EPR would remain constant with distance as has been found. So because the EPR waves are able to change speed as they zigzag back and forth between the expanding or contracting electromagnetic field lines just as much as the lines radiate out or back in, and according to changes in their speed, the force of the EPR remains constant. The waves would speed up or slow down much like the acceleration of gravity by these events since gravity is an acceleration and if the waves change without incoherance because they change both speed and frequency unlike light in Special relativity, being the opposite with changes in wavelength alone, they follow the classical electromagnetic field lines which first radiate out then back in just as much and so the EPR stays constant with distance. It's possible gravity has radiance unlike the EPR because it actually radiates on the outside of the lines, or perhaps due to this and being much lower energy than the EPR.


About The Objections to Faster than Light motion of Special Relativity.


Some say that time would reverse if you're going faster than light.


 But if you have an airplane that breaks the sonic barrier the sound waves that return to us aren't reversed in time neither is the image of the jet.


  I think this is why Einstein believed that travel faster than light might be possible provided it was always faster than light. By reducing most of the interaction with the relativistic events as in the collapse of the wave function by Line Removal mostly the problem of these events being influential is reduced. (This could also solve the hierarchy problem why gravity is so much less strong than the other forces. Once Line Removal takes place as the fields are created in the singularity of a black hole by  reacting back with reradiant force and outward through the black hole jets at faster than light, energy is conserved by the reaction to the gravitational attraction and with this comes line removal so the gravity can't influence the inside of the heavy quanta.. So gravity remains weak by Line Removal. And it can't have quantum numbers or shielding.)


 If you look at a weight falling in an airplane and moving with the frame of reference to the airplane the weight falls straight down. One of the classic arguments for relativity has been that the frame of reference of the observer on the ground is just as valid as to say the weight is moving forward in an arc with the airplane as it is for the observer on the airplane to say the weight is falling radially towards the Earth.


 Basically if gravity is much faster then light by its waves (as I say on my main physics pages the waves that LIGO has found may actually be inertial and they're only at the speed of light by relativity where inertia is important. Gravity itself radiates in and the LIGO waves radiate out and so gravity and inertia aren't the same, see my link below for what I consider to be my best most complete physics page) it changes little between the airplane's observer and the land-based observer. This might be because it's usually faster than light like the x and y coordinates of a ballistic arc where they are completely independent of each other.  


   There is no displacement seen for gravity while my idea predicts a slight bit and this would be about the much huger speed of gravity at 10 to the 37 times the speed of light if Maxwell's method works here. This is much like the value Van Flandern calculated, and also more like Newton's belief.


 Einstein tried to get around the gravity displacement problem by invoking what he called a velocity dependent effect. This is supposedly a large wave the Earth surfs on that just exactly counteracts with what otherwise would have been a displacement to fit relativity! But I note if this large wave was strong enough to influence gravity and gravity is at the speed of light, light will change in many different angles as you look through the wave! If it's a high speed event it would change every chemical or electrical event by the sideways influence by gravity if it was strong enough to actually bend the light.


 Einstein might have magically saved relativity but there's not a single Wikipedia article about the velocity dependent effect and there's no evidence for it and no reason why it would be there other than to save relativity!


 So the radial acceleration hasn't changed much for the ballistic arc while the sideways motion of inertia has changed a lot.


 I think of this type of argument for the relative sideways motion as above of a mass falling in an airplane as saying that inertia equals no inertia, where the rest frame fits the frameof motion.. hardly what I would call an equivalence of the observers.


If we separate the two components of gravity and inertia only gravity remains unchanged so the point of view of the Earth observer tends to be more valid.


 This may be because gravity and inertia are not equivalent in my formulation and so you don't have things like huge gravity around a million g centrifuge and you weigh a different amount in the north on the Earth than you would at the tropics. 


They're not completely equal as Einstein thought by his hope to use Maxwell's unification of electricity and magnetism essentially by way of quantum assumptions, instead they're on the more continuous scale like F=ma instead of E equals MC². 


.This would be because gravity is more fundamentally a wave moving between the quantum field lines and this is why when you plug in the equations for gravity into quantum mechanics there are infinities not because gravity is infinite but because it interacts little with the heavy quanta, being dark matter.


One thing the idea of gravity being faster than light might resolve may be about why larger galaxies are being seen in the early cosmos then should have had time to form. This and larger structures like the Great Wall might be explained by faster than light gravity to bind heavy masses well in other ways  than gravity at the speed of light.

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I can think of 40 things that GWD explains that relativity can't, for example there's been found to be no limit yet on the speed of the EPR.



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