Is the Universe Deterministic or Not?

While Schroednger has a reputation for promoting the famous cat, he actually consistently held that the universe is non deterministic, while Einstein believed we should know a lot!

Einstein and Schrodinger together pioneered the idea of Schrodinger's cat with the famous thought experiment involving a cat in the box with a gun and radioactivity in another box that's connected to it.

 

 But by radioactivity you can't know if it's true or false until the collapse of the wave function then triggers the gun and the cat is neither alive or dead till then because since by experiment we can't but the result of the computation of the collapse of the wave function is because no experiment shows that we can do this.

Most physicists have held that what goes on inside the wave function before it collapses as by the experiments is fundamentally unknowable, and that was that.

Einstein couldn't accept this..he considered himself to be a Spinozan, like the philosopher Baroch Spinoza.

Einstein believed that if we had a low energy particle we could get around the problem of not knowing what's going on inside that atmosphere around each quantum (before it collapses in a way I think of as with a phase change from "more gaseous" to more "solid".)

Einstein and Spinoza believed that if you have a system of particles and you know the positions and motions of all them before you start you can control all the events of the system and so the universe is fundamentally deterministic.

Yet one of the great Einstein quotes is that "It's impossible to imagine a fundamental particle that can both admit and absorb a wave". So by this waves seem fundamental.

Even if all around us we see evidence for both  determinism and indeterminism, we might indeed say that waves seem so fundamental that Einstein's second belief that waves are more fundamental is more true. 

By determinism particles seem more valid because they're easier to control as by Spinoza's belief.

Physicists have believed that it's impossible to conceive any point of any system without both centrifugal and centripetal force.

 I think of this as both quanta and waves, all bodies are in motion either by linear or accelerated force; Specifically waves being continuous are trying to accelerate that body and quanta like the quantum of light in relativity limit acceleration and the result is uniform motion.

While we can say that particles aren't fundamental because of Einstein's idea that it's impossible to imagine a fundamental particle that can't both emit and absorb a wave, one problem I had noted was that waves would soon destabilize  because of acceleration, the bane of relativity in my opinion. Special relativity describes uniform motion well but I think of it as a measure of only motion without cause. 

For a more complete dynamic description of all the systems, forces need to have a source unlike in general relativity where Einstein says that gravity is much like inertia and because inertia has no source then we can assume that the pendulum as it goes back and forth won't center on the earth.. it could center at any point.

  Acceleration would seem to discriminate about which observer is more privileged, the Earth is more privileged and so the pendulum centers on the Earth. Dynamics is about sources of motion and not just the paths that masses take.

Thus we need more than uniform motion or quanta to describe systems. My belief is that the acceleration of gravity comes from waves (not the ones discovered by LIGO which are more about centrifugal force, moving outward at the speed of light by inertia and relativitys influence and much higher energy (as due to the much greater constant and the equation for statistical force than true gravity waves since they radiate out and gravity radiates in, etc.).

 Centrifugal force and inertia tend to radiate outward, as path of masses of uniform motion tend to move outward as a gas and so the much higher energy inertial lines like the classical electromagnetic field lines radiate out, inducing in the inertial waves and this induces the outward radiating gravity waves and that induces inward the gravitational particles. 

  Relativity is not out of the picture here even though Einstein held there was no low energy field with classical field lines like this,  because inertia is much much stronger than gravity contrary to what relativity might teach us with the equivalent of inertia and gravity and so first the inertial lines might lay down the tracks by radiating out and then the inertial waves would radiate inward following those tracks which are induced the gravitational waves outward and this would also correspondingly induce the gravitational particles inward.

 Inertia and relativity being much stronger may form the frame of the picture and then the gravity follows those lines inward because it needs a source and waves can't naturally just radiate inward.

 The much lower energy gravity waves might radiate out (much lower because the constant of gravity is hugely less than the constant for centrifugal force) as the waves of inertia radiate in. 

 By what we can measure,  events of the low energy quanta of the field exerting the force of gravity or centrifual force that we feel pulling and pushing around us would be actually transmitted by both gravity particles that radiate inward under the influence of the outgoing lower energy gravity waves themselves and also inertial particles that radiate out under an influence of the ingoing inertial waves. (Of course as my calculations of physicists like Feynman himself, external particles have major problems about friction. gallio's belief was the earth carries the particles like an atmosphere, but this wouldn't solve Feynmann's calculation where he proved that particles would need the earth to gain two earth masses for second, and there will be huge problems about friction. For this reason I have tended to believe that the particles are inside what I call the radius of action  (ROA) of the quanta and not on the outside where it's almost pure waves. particles so they connect up to the other particles by proxy by the waves and the problems with friction might be solved by this method.)

  My explanation for how the classical electromagnetic field lines don't destabilize or bunch up.. the waves zigzag between those lines giving them coherence. While Einstein wouldn't even admit these lines exist iron filings show regular changes in the field not described by relativity. 

 As I say acceleration doesn't really fit gravity well and for this reason I think that indeed relativity and gravity are the opposite.. Gravity radiates down to oneness and the thermodynamic forces like by relativity where the speed of light is so important radiate out like by entropy.

 This opposition of acceleration like by gravity and the speed of light is described by the extra tensor for acceleration that relativity ignores. 

More particularly in special relativity the speed of the light stays the same while the wavelength changes. With gravity the opposition would be about how both the speed and the wavelength of the waves are changed because gravity is an acceleration and not just the wavelength changes.

Once I understood this then I began to ask myself about the problem of why these waves wouldn't soon fizzle out and become random instead of unified so mass can have tension as newton believed.. this is one thing about the unified field if we assume it's completely unified by the waves since particles don't unify, Because they're separate they would have no way to remain consistently unified.

Carl Sagan was saying in cosmos that if we could somehow turn off the electromagnetic fields everything would crumble to a sort of fine dust. I would think it wouldn't even be dust I would think it would wouldn't be like anything we know of. Dust has some structure but what structure the waves might have without particles seems to be much reduced.

 So I started to look at the idea of how the waves zigzag between the classical electromagnetic field lines.. One way of looking at this is that if we indeed had the lines made up of small particles like Einstein believed in to try to solve the Uncertainty principle tending to be like quanta, and we set up the system where we control those lines and we can even start the waves between them, in order for the lines to remain coherent the waves have to do some extra work, and in this method they're changing both wavelength and frequency in random unpredictable ways.

The randomness is necessary to add the cohesive force. 

  Since particles need waves to hold together, Einstein's completely deterministic system with only particles is not as probable. Likewise waves will quickly fizzzle out without those more quantum lines that they're oscillating between to stabilize them.

 This is another expression of the idea that there is no centrifugal without centripetal force. In this, my description of gravity or the waves that LIGO has found, we much more definitely know the force exerted by the low energy particles (of both gravity and the inertia) inside the ROA at any rate, than we do the much higher speed lower energy waves.

We might say that the waves are hidden from us while the particles which are deterministic we can know well.

 

 It's recently been found that 97 percent of the mass of the proton is unaccounted for. By this motion of the dark matter field, we can say that as with finding dark matter in general it's been quite difficult and this might be because it may have overlapping changes of wavelength and speed which make it seem so continuous it's difficult to find with our sensors. We might say because we can't find it it's not deterministic. Einstein said about gravity at any rate that without a completely continuous a field all his castles in the air including mass and motion will fail.

One thing you may note here is that nothing is absolute, and though the waves may seem to be almost completely pure we might say they're also at least somewhat deterministic if not as much. 

 Einstein believed in the low energy particle to get around the Uncertainty problem, while Von Neumann was hopefully proving that there are no such low energy particles possible, and soon others were wedging in determinism into Von Neumann's supposedly solid math. Einstein always believed the universe is fundamentally deterministic while Schrodinger always disagreed.

Physicists in general have accepted mostly that the universe is non-deterministic at least in the quantum sense. Even so recent experiments called low energy quantum experiments have proven that Einstein was at least partially right. The idea is that we send a low energy quantum "mouse" past the box and see if "the cat" might be alive or dead by watching about how the mouse moves. 

 This seems more like partial evidence for more determinism because it involves the low energy particles and not absolute waves to make it so the experiment works and we can even know this.

  About the EPR I had had the idea that the way one quanta knows the other from a distance out of all the other quanta in the universe after being entangled could be because of these low energy particles moving around a quanta like the electron at super high speed by being super lighter (you lighten up to go fast and also by reversal of sign like by tunneling by being more dense waves can go faster, also gravity might speed up with lower density while other forces being opposite in sign may speed up with increased density) and with a phase change from relativity. 

 Note that this phase change makes it so you can't directly measure the low energy waves and all we have is received knowledge, for example about how gravity operates but we have the changes of wavelength of light associated with and not about gravity itself. 

 Relativity with the particles is more deterministic but in my idea I call General Wave Dynamics (GWD) gravity with its overlapping waves and frequencies of the waves is tending to be more noncausal, and mostly not measurable by the quanta which are much slower.

 This idea of received knowledge is fundamental to the whole idea of the universe being deterministic or indeterministic. You send in one quanta and five random quanta radiate outward you can't predict. 

 If was only at the speed of light you can't predict this because of the quanta of light by relativity (Or like Einstein believed the Spinozan method of knowing all there was by a system of particles). The waves may do most of the random computing while in Special Relativity Einstein holds that light is a quanta unchanged from emission to absorption and so the speed of light is constant and there is not so much randomness.

 The waves being much less knowable may be important to nondeterminism.  Because every system has both centrifugal and centripetal force or waves and particles or mass and energy, one part of the system will tend to be hidden like the inside of the quantum. As with the low energy Quantum experiments this is not absolute but it tends to be more so.

  I was tending to invoke Einstein's idea of the low energy particle to explain both the EPR and how gravity operates and also why recent experiments show that quanta remember after the interaction.

  If each quantum has the small "constellation" of these low energy particles, it seems conceivable that if you fuse them together and then stretch them back apart they might retain that code from that particular constellation of the quanta. I thought this also could explain Maxwell's objection about the problem that opposite electric charges attract and yet mass attracts other mass by gravity.

 With a more special code for each heavy quantum by way of the low energy particles, like masses would still attract and be made unlike by the code of the low energy particles Einstein imagined for the Uncertainty principle of each quanta (and this might be generally about how the electric charges themselves attract and how attraction may operate in general by way of the substructure of the field).

 And so I asked, where are these low energy quanta and my belief was that because the electron shows no structure yet, and we would expect it to have structure like experiments if the quanta are there, the waves themselves might be super high speed as I say and change phase so fast they look continuous but really aren't.

  By this idea we could put upper limits on the mass of the low energy particles according to how continuous or not we find quanta like the electron to be.

  For now there's no evidence other than the low energy quantum experiments that the electron has discontinuity.

 I began to think about how the waves of the electron or why Einstein's other idea which he said was the foundation about gravity  being completely continuous would be wrong because of being infinite.

 Instead of low energy quanta I started to think of mostly waves as with the Feynman diagrams but with some quantum properties. This would seem to be necessary because as I say there are no waves without particles or mass without energy or centrifugal without centripetal force.

 So it would seem that the universe is made of both indeterminism and determinism. 

Those high-speed waves zigzagging between the classical electromagnetic field lines would fundamentally need randomness to hold them together.

 Certainly I would say like Einstein's low energy quantum experiments there's going to be a lot more difficulty finding the low energy waves than particles especially if the waves are super high speed and super light. 

 If we take two of those field lines and let them radiate outward with the waves between them we might think of controlling the waves by changing the lines like by making them parallel but this may have only general influence on the randomness of the waves.. in this view the waves are tough to control because each one interacts only a tiny amount with a much heavier quanta and the quanta are the only thing that we can find the waves by way of. This is why general relativity seems to work so well with the received knowledge. The influence of gravity is there but it may be another kind of physics.

I think it's possible someday physicists might do something like stretch the lines out and then stabilize them so much that you can find how much the waves are changing in a regular way, this might be the closest we could come to making the field deterministic, and it might eventually lead to new physics.

This would still not be Einstein's method of controlling all the particles which would seem to be reason to believe that there will never be a completely deterministic system.

 Even so, while Einstein may not have been wrong that there was a hidden component of the physics, and this may be a minor influence as with the low energy quantum experiments, I think it still might be enough that we could send a signal with the EPR faster than light, and while it may be small for most events around us it might be valuable to understand gravity.

In truth the only real reason that physicists believe that the physics are unknowable is because no experiment had supposedly proven that Einstein was correct. They would like to except it ifif they could!

 

 Since the recent low energy quantum experiments now show he was partially correct, we say that there are degrees of determinism just as there are degrees of knowing anything about the world in general. 

  By their randomness and super high speed phase change yeah in this way the waves are more uncontrollable and so they're more non-deterministic.

  Non-determinism relates to ease of access. Because we can't find them, for now with our sensors for all practical purposes they are indeterministic.

As with dark matter, where you find it just by moving around the room as it presses against you and you change your motion, I don't discount the possibility that the indeterministic part of each system is only more out of reach and not totally unknowable as probabilities are knowing the unknowable.

 After all, this is what low energy quantum experiments seem to show in general. We can have some influence at least on the non-deterministic part of each system.. More influence than this we can't totally discount.

 If you send in one quantum and five unpredictable types of quanta rereadiate outward, I would hold the same thing as about the gravity waves and inertial waves as they radiate out and in they're computing internally, by moving back and forth with random changes of the lines themselves and interacting with them and this may be essential to the foundation of how the lines are maintained, and centrifugal force and gravity.

 Can A Signal Be Faster Than Light by the EPR?

 Einstein was much concerned about the speed of the EPR Einstein Podolski Rosen paradox.

 Recent interpretations involve the idea by the collapse of the wave function, where there is decoherence there can be correlation with the distant quantum before the collapse of the wave function, but there can be no signal sent because the information of the signal is already destroyed by the collapse of the wave function.

 No experiment I know of has yet found the superluminal speed of the sending of the wave (with AI yet also with other sources like Scientific American saying that by heroic engineering it's already been found that the EPR is faster than light) though current experiments with tunneling show no upper limit..and one claim that has been made is that the reason you have to send the information by the speed of light between the quanta after the quanta have collapsed the wave function is, above all else, to support relativity.

 But the low energy quantum experiments seem to be at least partial proof that we can control something about the collapse of the wave function to perhaps send the signal because of Einstein's other idea that the observer doesn't have absolute influence in quantum mechanics which of course is also anti-relativistic, as in relativity where otherwise the observer has all the influence.

 I think we may be able to take something like a crystal around the quanta after we've entangled it and we collapse it hopefully using the field around the crystal and control more of the causality of the decoherence, and by this small change of the low energy quantum experiment, essentially we may be able to send the signal faster than light and some of Einstein's ideas  may be-proven and disproven! 

 He believed both in determinism Spinoza's method by the quanta as above and that the waves were fundamental, both in the relativity of the observer and special relativity and yet non-relativity of the observer in quantum mechanics.

 As with Von Neumann's idea by rigorous proof he found that there can be no hidden variables in quantum mechanics, soon after other physicists had disproven it.

So every system (or at least every quantum system) will have both a non-deterministic and deterministic element, and Einstein's idea that the universe is fundamentally deterministic isn't complete.

This relates to problems about how time isn't reversible in relativity because if space and time were completely unified the low speed observer would control both the events in the distant starship and not just the speed of playback and also if space and time are unified so that if you move backwards through  space you would move backwards through time and you don't.

One of the classical proofs supposedly of relativity is that light travels for infinite distance unlike sound without stopping because the light is a quantum that "carries itself". Since this is without friction (another kind of acceleration or inconvenience) Relativity tells us that there is no friction or nothing would ever wear out or run down with the more common physics around us where some things are more at rest and some things wear out more than others.

 For most of history people believe that the most natural place for a mass to be was at rest, Newton and Einstein supposedly replaced this with more inertia other than when acted on by an outside force.

It's easy to see that this is true if you liken the acceleration of masses like in the gravitational field with the bending of light the light bends the same for all frequencies and so by relativity all the masses fall at the same rate.

And while this works fine for light  by the friction and relativity, the masses tend to slow down "and move to a stop!" We can say that if you raise a heavy and light mass to the same height and drop them, they fall at the same rate if you use different force.

 But unlike the light when there's friction basically and you use the same force to accelerate and heavy and light masses upward they fall at a different rate, just as it's easier to accelerate a light mass and a heavy mass by conservation of momentum. Thus by relativity we can say because there is no friction for light seen from a distance indeed the most natural place for body to be used in motion other than if acted on by an outside force.

But it's more convenient to say that the earth is at rest and the heavy mass moves to be at rest more inconvenience causes validity by making it so that some values are more valuable than the others the earth is more the privilege rest frame than the moon as denying by relativity.

 

 About convenience in relativity, all observers are equally valid but not all are equally convenient. If you had only particles and you simply reverse their spin one going forward through time and one reversed it would be easy to control like this, but entropy reversing systems are the exception and not the rule and relativity can't explain this.

It's not more convenient to say that the moon is the more privileged frame of reference than the earth or that all observers are equally privileged because the pendulum centers on the earth not on the moon.

Mass and energy in relativity are conserved but not converted. By the unified field we might suppose that there could be some way to also convert them.

  It would take no work done on the field to convert mass to energy, and work essentially selects out things that are more viable from things that are less viable. The slowness of conversion, contrary to the unified field and relativity where all observers are equivalent, makes it so some things are more valuable than others.

 

 This distinction by way of convenience between mass and energy or a heavy and light weight in the earth's gravitational field may be an expression of the inner structure of heavy quanta compared to bosons like light. 

Inside the heavy quanta may be spinning faster than light giving them their mass if mass is spinning energy, and by the phase change of spinning faster than light inside they might be more separated and able to do the extra work on the field that maintains the outside tension Newton believed in for mass.

So if mass and energy were completely equivalent and there were no non-deterministic inner realm that wasn't computing faster than light for the heavy quanta everything would be unified into a blob of oneness and couldn't distinguish between truth and false, by way of making and storing the changes like a computer and so it's hardly surprising that the field may use a method like this to conserve energy.

 This distinction could be what makes it so that bosons can be unified to the same phase but fermions resist being moved to the same place.

The bosons spin at the speed of light all the way to the center of the quanta like light and there's no gyroscopic resistance to move bosons together. 

 If mass is spinning energy (which won't work for relativity because Einstein never defined what causes rest mass perhaps because you need faster than light spin inside the heavy quanta for it to exist as it does) it will be spinning faster than light by the phase change inside the heavy particles with more momentum than it would have by relativity. Relativity only says that the momentum is conserved and doesn't say what speed the quanta are spinning at; while momentum is conserved heavy quanta have extra mass that relativity can't account for.

  The fermions having more mass may spin faster than light inside with the phase change and by the gyroscopic stability or the shear force and this makes it so they can't be moved together without overlapping bosonic waves not predicted by relativity.

You can create any number of bosons. For example by lighting a match you can create unlimited light radiating out, but fermions like electrons and positrons or other particles with mass are always created in pairs.

 

If the bosons with speed of light spin to the center are integrally connected to the electromagnetic field, the phases overlap so you can create large numbers of them.

If fermions are created out of the light at high enough energy you always need a pair or more because by the phase change they're no longer connected as much with the external field and the faster than light small  gyroscopes inside the electron and positron must still conserve a momentum like of spin and so they might compare each other to each other and not the outside field and so are always created in pairs (or more for the fractional charges).

If all the quanta spin at the speed of light without the dark matter change of phase inside they would all act like bosons.

  This might also be why dark matter bends light like bosons, but not the fermions which would resist acceleration with the internal gyroscopes spinning faster than light the bosons don't have. 

 By the change of phase,  the bosons spin at the speed of light all the way way to the center of the quanta, and the fermions spin being faster than light may be an expression of the partial inequivalence of mass and energy because of the idea that the unified field and relativity are incomplete.

  At low energy different masses accelerate by different amounts for the same force and the light of different energies doesn't change it's acceleration as it moves near a massive body like the Earth but at high energy for dark matter this may reverse where the light is bent but not the mass by reversal of sign, because high energy is the opposite of low energy.

To me this seems reminiscent of Wilkzec's idea about Axioms where the proton doesn't care about spin, and externally all mass attracts so I believe mass because of attraction may only spin in one direction as reflected by the recent observation that in the early universe the galaxies spin 67% more clockwise than counterclockwise. 

 So too I believe it's possible the external field may reverse in sign and contrary to relativity instead of just bending mass and not by distinction, dark matter might bend the light or energy and not mass.

  At high energy the dark matter field between the light and the massive sources might be accelerating more independently of the source in a non-commutative way and causing this so that the common masses generate the dark matter but it changes before it reaches the light to change it but not the masses themselves as much. This is a possible explanation for why dark matter bends light but not common masses as much.

Usual masses at high energies would plow through dark matter fields without influence because gravity would wrap around the outside of the spin of each heavy quanta and the difference between the two sides of the spin would be the acceleration of gravity for that quanta. Gravity wouldn't go inside the heavy quanta because it would have huge strength, quantum numbers and shielding.

 Gravity doesn't shield like the Moon and the Earth for eclipse after eclipse over historical times and so it doesn't slow down and dark matter would only act like gravity to the matter ploughing through it but not the energy.

This, a hopeful way of mine to understand perhaps the observations by astronomy about dark matter isn't my main idea but also may be possible.

Why is Mass Positive on the Outside Without Antigravity? Why the Resistance of the Quanta to the flow of Gravity on the Outside May be Evidence Against the Completeness of Relativity..

I think of this like a boat in the river with an anchor and a line. When the boat flows with the water there needs to be pressure on the boat to move it and when you lower down the the line with the anchor the line shows the force because of the pressure of the water on the boat, just as in the gravitational field the electron and other heavier quanta would have to have some way to have pressure on them for this to be so.

 Without the phase change inside the heavier quanta and the gravity going through the heavy quanta instead of around them, this would be true anti-gravity by the definition of matter that would be without weight in the gravitational field, like the boat if it were completely transparent to the water and if the water could flow right through it there will be no change of phase inside the boat where the water can't flow.

 By the phase of change and faster than light spin inside the heavy quanta, gravity meets resistance and so there is no measure of anti gravity by weight.. Also resistance of the quanta to gravity by pressure on the other quanta is a sort of passive anti-gravity. If this "anti-gravity" was not short range we would fall into the "singularity of the Earth." 

 But this passive resistance itself would need a change of phase for there to be pressure resisting on the outside like the boat in the river with the water and also the change of phase at short enough distance also to be the cause of this "passive anti-gravity". 

 

 The boat has to be opaque to the water on the outside "think of painting barns and ships!"-but in order for it not to flow down the stream indefinitely it needs connection with other ships or the line of each atom attaching to the next. So the change of phase explains why we feel the force on the outside and also why we don't implode downward to the center of the Earth.

 If gravity were only at the speed of light, if as by LIGO and inside the quanta it was also at the speed of light, we could imagine that by definition the heavy quanta would be completely transparent to gravity and have no weight.

 

 By relativity gravity is simple and gravity is at the speed of light.

  Everything is connected up if relativity is complete by the unified field and so by relativity the quanta are at the speed of light inside and have simple changes in wavelength but not speed because the spin inside the heavy quanta is at the speed of light. 

 Therefore by relativity the quanta would be transparent to gravity because they should all be equally convenient as well as equally valid if relativity is complete. It's much easier to convert mass to energy than energy to mass and as I say on my other posts convenience is a major problem for relativity.

 Einstein believed gravity was simple on the outside, and I would say there's no reason to believe it wouldn't be simple on both the inside and outside of the quanta if relativity was complete.

  The phase change allows the quanta to spin faster than light and they are considerably disconnected from the external field enough that this causes the spin unlike with classical mechanics where by friction they would stop.       

   If mass is spinning energy the heavy quantum have more energy and mass than they should by relativity spinning only at the speed of light. By the unified field they should all spin at the same speed at the speed of light which would be merely plus and minus one as the mass of all the quanta. 

 The overlapping changes in wavelength and speed of the matter waves make it so there are many different masses in subatomics physics with different speeds of the spin not just one. 

 Relativity tells us time should speed up with more mass but the heavier the quanta are in general the shorter their half-life, because time is like spin always measured by periodic fluctuation and in higher math it's well known that time is a curve as well as by the theorems that time is proportional to frequency. The heavy quanta are spinning faster then they should and like small clocks this speeds up the time contrary to relativity.

What about GPS?

  GPS is the only practical application of what's called general "relativity". By this due to the phase change in my idea I call General Wave Dynamics GWD, the gravity is only on the outside in the field between the heavy quanta. I believe by this GPS measures changes in gravity's influence on the quanta like light but not the gravity itself. The phase change makes gravity something other than relativity because it separates gravity from the quanta by removing the field lines of the gravity to the outside. Only one ten thousandth of an atom is occupied by more common mass and energy.